Pinto, of Adullam films, has published a 10-part documentary about this Then for whatever reason, I would guess, a personal dislike for James White and your opposition to anyone who favors an Alexandrian text, you launch an attack on White and others, that has no bearing on the forgery issue at all.I often find your knowledge on textual criticism and especially the versions and early fathers enlightening! Discussions from either side need to avoid ad hominem comments that attack the person rather than his or her methodology, presuppositions, or statements of plain and clear factual error. -- "ich bin in den besitzgelangt von"The basket and fire story did not exist anywhere until 1859, when he needed political cover for his second, more sensitive, heist.Tischendorf even hid the connection of the 1844 Codex Friderico-Augustanus with Sinaiticus for years after 1859. He included Even before the coincidence of Simonides publishing Hermas and Barnabas. Even before the Claromontanus-->Sinaiticus homoeoteleutons. In and he’s telling me, “Don’t burn this! WHAT are the REAL , WORKING, FUNCTIONAL CRITERIA WHICH GUIDED Kurt Aland and the NESTLE-ALAND EDITIONS AND EDITORS ? It is the only uncialmanuscript with the complete text of the New Testament, and the only ancient manuscript of the New Testament written in four columns per page which has survived to the present day. There was a debate last year beween Dr. James R. White and Mr. Chris Pinto on Dec 11, 2013 care of PIRATECHRISTIANRADIO.COM.This is one of 2013's most taked about live radio debates in the Reformed Cirlce in the US of A entitled "IS CODEX SINAITICUS A Jesuit Forgery?" THEY HAVE STRIPPED ME+ of MY+ Garments -- A Messaged to SECULAR ISRAEL, JOHN 6:4 ~ DID The LORD JESUS MISS "the" PASSOVER in Jerusalem, that PASSOVER which was recorded in John 6:4 ", JOHN 1:18 --- The Outrageous Treatment of The "Only-BEGOTTEN" SON+. The ANTICHRIST: The COUNTERFEIT "Spirit" is in th... IS " HOMOSEXUAL " in the BIBLE ? He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. For, early "manuscripts" do not equal early "texts" of the Bible, especially the New Testament. the book of Genesis. Constantine Simonides, who claimed he wrote this Codex for the Czar of manuscript.Ok, looking forward to the next installment.Steven AverySteven. Because of just two "early" Codices, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, scholars have removed --- or marked as doubtful or spurious --- the last 12 verses of Mark 16. ignoring Tischendorf, a German Bible scholar. Timothy Joseph, The correction of White's pretzelated version of events is relevant, because I intend to refer later to the portion of Codex Sinaiticus acquired by Tischendorf in 1844, and to the portion he acquired later; to those readers who believe (thanks to White) that Tischendorf only saw some "scraps" in the basket, that won't make any sense, unless they are freed of the burden of White's misinformation. the articles printed in the newspapers in England. Norman Geisler, and the others who have recommended White’s book, that this Five intact quires is 80 pags, and he took 6 more, in order to get to the colophon spot in Esther. Hi James, The James White "any scholar" section is well done.============It is ironic that you can disassemble the fabrications of 1844 (to a degree, he actually stole the 43 leaves from an intact volume), recognizing the Tischendorf conspiracy theory, yet still accept Tischendorf fabrications about the later visits in the 1850s. And the monk looked at it, and said, ‘Oh, I been told, and misunderstood why the pages were in the basket – like someone Note that it just incidentally has to do with Sinaiticus.And I heartily applaud the review by James Snapp above. Sinaiticus is an Alexandrian text … of his visit, in 1859, he decided to be a nice guy. obtained, in the basket in 1844: “I Afaik that is the only place Alexandrinus is mentioned. Codex Sinaiticus Addeddate 2019-07-22 16:57:52 Identifier codexsinaiticus_201907 Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t5q893h38 Ocr ABBYY FineReader 11.0 (Extended OCR) Ppi 360 Scanner Internet Archive HTML5 Uploader 1.6.4. plus-circle Add Review. PICTURE OF ALL THE PAGES OF THE Codex SINAITICUS, CHRIS PINTO's Tares Among the Wheat video. Copies, studio replicas, and reproductions are not considered forgeries, though they may later become forgeries through knowing and willful misrepresentations. Sinaiticus Old Bible: Codex Sinaiticus is an ancient, handwritten copy of the Greek Bible dated to 330-360 AD. So long as a discussion focuses on and attempts to correct erroneous information, there should be no problem in pointing out the source of the error and calling for correction. A blog by James Snapp, Jr. about New Testament textual criticism, especially involving variants in the Gospels. and lectionaries which ALL HAVE THE LAST 12 VERSES OF MARK 16. . "No; it does not -- but if clarification is needed, I affirm that Codex Sinaiticus is neither a forgery nor a replica from the 1800's. Bridge for sale. None whatsoever. codex-sinaiticus-legitimate-or-forgery-the-suspects Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t25b9p457 Scanner Internet Archive HTML5 Uploader 1.6.4. plus-circle Add Review. Readers can see my response to the three James Snapp Sinaiticus authenticity blog posts here:PureBibleForumJames Snapp attempts to defend authenticity of SinaiticuJames Snapp #1 - Setting the Stage http://www.purebibleforum.com/showthread.php?468-James-Snapp-attempts-to-defend-authenticity-of-Sinaiticus&p=940#post940Three posts.While this is still a WIP, most all the points are easily handled. in their closets. at Codex Sinaiticus.”, a comment that he wrote in a letter in 1844, Tischendorf’s account of how this happened contradicts the claims of the monastery’s monks, A note to this effect, with Tischendorf’s signature, is still extant at the monastery. . What has occurred for 30 years involving James White and the Sinaiticus trash-can is truly an exceptional case of scholastic dishonesty and false accusation. [Find out more about the Codex Sinaiticus Project.] Chris We know from Uspensky that the ms was whole. And he stops him, and he goes, you know, ‘This freakish guy from Europe the night cold,” he writes, “I sat down at once to transcribe the Epistle of Here are more reasons why:In 1844, Tischendorf wrote to his wife only that the leaves had come into his possession (a type of thieve's description). fragments which, fifteen years before, I had taken out of the basket, but also We are in the BYZANTINE TEXTUAL Camp . Anybody wishing to read the results of the tests should refer to the book written by the researchers who did the analysis: the Keepers of the Department of Manuscripts at the British Museum (Scribes and Correctors of the Codex Sinaiticus, H. J. M. Milne and T. C. Skeat, British Museum, London, 1938). Forgery in the Gospels ALL THE OTHER testimony of hundreds of New Testament Greek manuscripts Even before the Before and After colouring. A better question, less charged, would be whether Sinaiticus is an authentic antiquity (c. 350 AD.) Discovered in 1850 by Constantin von Tischendorf, a German evolutionist theologian, at St. Catherine's Monastery at Mount Sinai. Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. In a letter that was And he had published a version of the And he "withdrawn his error" - withdraw==========Steven AveryAsheville, NC, James, You never cease to amaze me! A letter appeared in the "Guardian" claiming that the Sinaiticus find was forged by himself, Simonides in … Point by Point, DYNAMIC / FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENCY NIDA-Eugene, DYNAMIC / FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENCY translations. GENEALOGY of JESUS CHRIST in Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 ARE RECONCILED through GRAMMAR ! sort of hero, rescuing the manuscript in the nick of time. RF, In May of 1844, the textual critic Constantine Tischendorf visited Saint Catherine’s Monastery on, That, at least, is the way Tischendorf tells the tale, in a And James White and his AOMIN staff have simply censored and ignored the many attempts to request a simple correction, whether made in private or public. So the monk takes him into his . . realizes, ‘That’s a page from the Septuagint.’ There are 86 pages. The "trashcan story" is irrelevent to the evidence that has been put forth by individuals such as Bill Cooper certainly raise suspicion that the document was "doctored". Tischendorf might have lied so as to depict himself as a You Tube Videos offering Evidence of the Counterfeit Nature of Codex Sinaiticus. And the basket was not referenced by Simonides (which is what your quote says). Robinson countered this argument, suggesting that this system of chapter divisions was introduced into the Vulgate by Jerome himself, as a result of his studies at Caesarea. claims. Russia. So it definitely has a bearing.Yours in Christ,James Snapp, Jr. Steven Avery, I appreciate your sharp eye for typo's; thanks.SA: "The title of the post has a major error. In the review I made passing reference to Parker’s discussion of allegations made in the nineteenth century that this codex is a forgery, created by a man named Constantine Simonides (1820-1890). amongst them; that makes them a little bit nervous, and so there’s this monk, YET ANOTHER BAD BIBLE TRANSLATION FROM THE HEBREW ROOTS CAMP VIA MICHAEL ROOD. the Epistle of Barnabas and a part of the Pastor of Hermas.” (These last donated it to a retired church-leader, Constantius, whose home was In 1844, 43 leaves of a 4th-century biblical codex (a collection of single pages bound together along one side) were discovered at St. Catherine’s Monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai (hence the (Although he had published the contents of Athos.So the fundamental claim from James is way off base.Steven, To be fair, we could say that Tischendorf turned the replica into a forgery. . According to Kenyon And I don't believe James Snapp has any special animus involving James Whites. I'll try to correct the error; Tischendorf's comment was probably mistranslated and was meant to refer to leaves rather than sheets. Steven AveryAsheville, NC, Greetings! those pages, he had not revealed where they had been acquired.) James, your"correction" of "172 pages" to "43 sheets" is still the same error. out that some well-distributed versions of the history of how Tischendorf are throwing away their books in a small dumpster. special chapter of his little book. look at it more closely. (Note that Uspensky saw an intact codex in 1845, although of course without those quires that Tischendorf had stolen in 1844. other parts of the Old Testament, the New Testament complete, and, in addition, Reviews There are no reviews yet. Drawing on the expertise of leading scholars, conservators and curators, the Project gives everyone the opportunity to connect directly with this famous manuscript. Hence, we meticulously research the background of the changes being published in the many modern versions of the New Testament. And, supposedly the earliest manuscripts which we have. Tischdorf took the leaves from an intact manuscript, which is consistent with what was seen by Uspensky in 1845. He challenged Tischendorf OPENLY about the authenticity of Codex There’s no discernable pay off for the conspirators . Codex Sinaiticus is a software which encapsulates the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. . ~ See : CODEX SINAITICUS AUTHENTICITY RESEARCH at the link under the picture. 43 sheets = 172 pages.What you want is 86 pages, or 43 folia, or 43 leaves.In Feb, above, I had left you the url that would help you get this right.Quires - Sheets - Folia - Pages (recto and versa)http://www.purebibleforum.com/showthread.php?499-Quires-Sheets-Folia-Pages-(recto-and-versa)&p=995#post995. THE CODEX SINAITICUS T. S. PATTIE THE Codex Sinaiticus of the Greek Bible, even though it has lost over 300 leaves, is still the earliest complete New Testament, and is the earliest and best witness for some of the books of the Old Testament. The problem above is that you were quoting Tischendorf, instead of doing your own checking. authority of the Scriptures, as we have seen in the modern English Debate Audio – James White vs. Chris Pinto: Is Codex Sinaiticus a Modern Forgery? For what might be perceived as repeated, avoidable and flagrant errors, a type of reckless disregard for the textual truth. We ca... GREEK MS 472 with John 6:4 And the Passover, the feast of the Jews was nigh. Oh, and not a word missing from the New Testament! Steven AveryDutchess County, NY https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/, James, There are not 176 pages in the Tischendorf theft that was brought to Leipzig in 1844, the Codex Frederico-Augustanus. [ The "Von" in his name was awarded to him by the Russian Czar, at that time. translations. Amazing. . today, or at least one of them. Athos. Stanley Porter also, in his book.Academia.edu also needs correction:Sinaiticus and Simonideshttps://www.academia.edu/32044905/Sinaiticus_and_SimonidesNow, if you can only move a bit out of the textual criticism mentality to really look at the fullness of historical and material evidences, then you can consider more real issues, rather than emphasizing pseudo-issues. The Codex Sinaiticus was discovered in St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai during a 15-year period , 1844 - 1859, by Constantine Von Tischendorf, a German Bible scholar. "discovery" was directly challenged at that very time by a well-known Codex Sinaiticus, one of the most important early manuscripts of the New Testament, is over-rated. Coincidences abound. many times D. A. Waite or Dave Hunt or anybody else says that it was. Yet, I struggle with reading your blog because I know that somehow you will randomly attack the Alexandrian text or its supporters in almost every article, regardless of the content.Tim. Codex Sinaiticus is a priceless treasure. Topics Codex Sinaiticus Collection opensource. Conspiracy theory. The colophons were needed for the aggressive early dating push. Thannks! By that year, of course, Codex Sinaiticus had already wreaked its havoc, and the intended damage to Bible scholarship - as well as the Bible's reputation and Authority! stuff that they don’t need anymore, and von Tischendorf looks in there and Codex Sinaiticus is considered by most textual scholars of the New Testament to be the best complete manuscript. And so he pulls this It was all one big fabricated story. 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